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mwoliver

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save sent to current folder rather than 'Sent' folder
« on: August 11, 2017, 04:32:01 pm »
Hi,

I am searching for, but not yet finding, a configuration knob that will let me save sent email to the folder I am currently viewing rather than a 'Sent' folder for all sent email. I know about the bcc to self option, but that always dumps the sent email into my Inbox which, in practice, is no different than dumping it into the Sent folder since I have to navigate to that folder to move the newly sent email to my desired folder.

Since I know you'll ask, the reason I want to do this is because that's how I've been managing email (threaded, sent/received in same Maildir / IMAP folder) for decades now and am unwilling to change. :D My primary MUA is mutt, which I adore, but on mobile I have found Aqua Mail to be the easiest to manage for IMAP, except for this elusive save-to-current-folder option. While in mutt, I view email threaded which means have email I send (new or reply) in the same folder with email I receive which keeps the threads coherent. To date, I have been navigating to the Sent folder after sending every email and moving that sent email to the folder of the email I am replying to. It works, but it's a PITA and I'd love to find the configuration option to do this for me.

Thanks,
Mike

mwoliver

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Re: save sent to current folder rather than 'Sent' folder
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2017, 05:37:46 pm »
Well, AquaMail conversation view allows you to see in consistent threads, in any specific folder, sent and received messages, without the need to do what you're manually doing (which is very very specific).

Just enable "across folders" in App settings -> conversations.

Thanks for the reply. This would work if I were only using Aqua Mail, but when I am not mobile I am still using mutt and that means that the conversation view across folders in Aqua Mail doesn't do me any good when threads are disjointed/broken in mutt. Depending on a specific viewing feature of Aqua Mail is useless for me when using other apps to access the same Maildir/IMAP inbox. I do appreciate you taking the time to reply, however.

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: save sent to current folder rather than 'Sent' folder
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2017, 08:34:01 pm »
Aqua Mail saves sent messages into Sent (which I think makes sense),  you can choose what this folder is on the server (although it usually guesses correctly), but it a particular server folder can be chosen for at most one role (i.e. can't be both "the inbox" and "the sent" folder).
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Re: save sent to current folder rather than 'Sent' folder
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2017, 12:03:33 am »
I am using Thunderbird and alpine for accessing the same accounts that I access with Aquamail, and like sorting messages to folders according to the people or projects.
Thunderbird has an extension, used by many users! that allows choosing the folder for saving the outgoing messages (or "Fcc:" in the language of pine/alpine and mutt.)

Previously, I've proposed a somewhat similar functionality (albeit even broader, to cover more different use cases/scenarios): https://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=4446.0
Maybe more people voicing their need for such a feature will nudge Kostya to "write it down".  ::)



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Re: save sent to current folder rather than 'Sent' folder
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2017, 12:19:25 am »
That would not work for Gmail accounts, since Gmail sever saves outgoing messages in Sent folder (on the the server).
Why not create specific rules/filters on the server to do what the user wants?

1. A large world exists beyond Gmail.
2. Using the said extension in Thunderbird, or alpine or mutt, even with Gmail accounts you can save the outgoing messages to the particular folder. Yes, Gmail will create a copy of (or, actually a duplicate link to) that message, but so what?
3. Not all e-mail services/servers allow users setting up rules/filters.
But you cannot create a rule/filter for all different cases even where that can be done. And if it is a brief exchange (1-2 messages each way), it is much easier to save the message from the client, then by writing a new rule on the server.
Think of why "Saving a message to a folder" exists for incoming messages. The same reasons apply why that would be useful for outgoing messages. Piling up all outgoing messages to a single folder is just one of the models. And, in large-volume accounts, it is far from the best.

In many cases, it is much easier to be able to save a

mwoliver

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Re: save sent to current folder rather than 'Sent' folder
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2017, 02:20:45 am »
I am using Thunderbird and alpine for accessing the same accounts that I access with Aquamail, and like sorting messages to folders according to the people or projects.
Thunderbird has an extension, used by many users! that allows choosing the folder for saving the outgoing messages (or "Fcc:" in the language of pine/alpine and mutt.)

I use [folder-hook . 'set record="^"'] in my muttrc to achieve this functionality and that, along with heavy use of mailfilter, keeps my email very organized and manageable. I use mutt on my PC whenever possible, but sometimes I am on the go and need to deal with email while out, and thus far AquaMail has met that need albeit without this one feature. I doubt I'll move toward anything else at this point, having tried so many other Android IMAP clients that are so far behind AquaMail.

Aqua Mail saves sent messages into Sent (which I think makes sense),  you can choose what this folder is on the server (although it usually guesses correctly), but it a particular server folder can be chosen for at most one role (i.e. can't be both "the inbox" and "the sent" folder).

It's unfortunate that "edge cases" for power users who actually manage a great deal of email, and would appreciate the knobs to do so more efficiently, are nonchalantly dismissed, but I grok the effort:reward situation of development and am resigned to AquaMail not gaining this feature.

Thanks for the responses guys, appreciate your time.

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Re: save sent to current folder rather than 'Sent' folder
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2017, 08:05:26 pm »
Yes I understand that there is a use case for this, but - as you said yourself, this is very much an "edge case" (even if it's the "normal" workflow for you)... Sorry.
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