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English - Android => How do I... => Topic started by: Mike Austin on January 22, 2016, 03:21:35 am
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I have just started with Aquamail and this is my first post. On a brief search, I could not find an answer. I use pop3 with two devices and BCC sent emails to myself. I want to move the BCC'd email generated by the first device to the 'Sent' folder on the second device. I presume this should be possible because the folder is already there and the action is, in principle, no different to moving to the 'Deleted' folder. How do I do it?
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A short answer is "No".
1. With POP3 you cannot access any folders rather than Inbox (incoming mail).
2. In most cases, and especially when you have multiple devices, it is better to use IMAP. It is only when you have a stubborn e-mail provider who doesn't provide IMAP that you should use POP3... Or, better yet, change the provider. ;)
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..... like Verizon, for whatever reason.
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The reason I questioned this is because Aquamail already has its own folders - [Sent], [Draft], [Deleted] - that do not correspond to POP3 boxes. Emails can be moved to/from [Delete] and [Draft] within Aquamail. I guess it should be possible to simply include [Sent] with these, if this were requested.
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Re: Emails can be moved to/from [Delete] and [Draft] within Aquamail.
Where are you seeing this?
I thought too this was possible, but right now unable to find how (not in message list, not in message view, not in two panel mode drag and drop).
But yes, you're right, it should be possible to add Sent there, assuming you can help me find it.
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Thanks for your quick response Kostya - and for writing a good app!
It is not as direct as I may have suggested. In [Inbox], press and hold the email and select the bin -> goes to [Deleted]. In [Deleted], press and hold email and click the up arrow and it goes to [Inbox]. When typing a new mail, click 'save' to move to [Draft]. In [Draft], one has to actually send or delete the email. Sending puts it into [Sent] and deleting puts it into [Delete] of course. In [Sent], press and hold provides the option to move to [Delete].
So I think all the code must be there somewhere and it is just a case of adding modified buttons to the menus.
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Thank you Mike, yes it's true that POP3 accounts do have device-only special-use folders.
But there is an "iceberg" here, in terms of potential for unintended side effects. I'll keep it in mind.
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Oh, that is a pity Kostya. It is a feature that I find important. I will return to BlueMail (as a second best) and keep my eyes open for an Aquamail update.
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Oh, that is a pity Kostya. It is a feature that I find important. I will return to BlueMail (as a second best) and keep my eyes open for an Aquamail update.
Hi Mike,
Is there a specific reason that you need to stay with POP3 even you are using two devices with the same account?
The IMAP protocol should be the better solution in this case.
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Hi Mikeone. I am not that familiar with the difference between POP3 and IMAP, but I know that I will have to pay my ISP extra. I just want to download my email from the server from two mobile devices and a laptop without synchronising or deleting from the server.
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Hi Mike,
Regarding the difference between the POP3 and IMAP protocols you could have a look into my post of another thread:
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=4209.msg22874#msg22874
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Hi Mikeone. I am not that familiar with the difference between POP3 and IMAP, but I know that I will have to pay my ISP extra. I just want to download my email from the server from two mobile devices and a laptop without synchronising or deleting from the server.
This is the first time I hear about an ISP charging extra for using IMAP for accessing e-mails. Are you sure?
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Hi Mikeone. I am not that familiar with the difference between POP3 and IMAP, but I know that I will have to pay my ISP extra. I just want to download my email from the server from two mobile devices and a laptop without synchronising or deleting from the server.
This is the first time I hear about an ISP charging extra for using IMAP for accessing e-mails. Are you sure?
Hi StR,
Yes, that's possible.
Here in Germany there are some webmail providers (like GMX.de, WEB.de,...) which are offering IMAP only in their paid plans:
"Note that IMAP is available only with GMX TopMail and GMX ProMail.'
> officially, but I'm using IMAP even with my free webmail accounts of both providers 8)
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Ash, GMX... I remember that it's got some weirdness ... It offers some storage limits to Germans, but it's unlimited for everyone else...
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Ash, GMX... I remember that it's got some weirdness ... It offers some storage limits to Germans, but it's unlimited for everyone else...
I see... It seems that I have to emigrate from Germany 8)
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Hi Mike,
Regarding the difference between the POP3 and IMAP protocols you could have a look into my post of another thread:
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=4209.msg22874#msg22874
Thanks Mike. If I may say so, it is a bit biased towards IMAP and does not represent POP3 fairly. With POP3, emails are not tied to specific machines because one does not have to delete them from the server. For multiple machines, it is possible to have the same emails downloaded and stored locally. I delete them from the server from time to time so as to keep space down. With POP3, backups are naturally there - in the email client - controlled by me on my own machines. With IMAP, some more elaborate method has to be found if one wants to make local backups.
The drawback with POP3 on Aquamail is that BCC'd items sent from one machine cannot be moved to the [Sent] folder on another machine. This unfortunately rules out Aquamail for me at the moment. This is a shame because I prefer its more secure operation (i.e. not using its own servers).
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Thanks Mike. If I may say so, it is a bit biased towards IMAP and does not represent POP3 fairly. With POP3, emails are not tied to specific machines because one does not have to delete them from the server. For multiple machines, it is possible to have the same emails downloaded and stored locally. I delete them from the server from time to time so as to keep space down. With POP3, backups are naturally there - in the email client - controlled by me on my own machines. With IMAP, some more elaborate method has to be found if one wants to make local backups.
The drawback with POP3 on Aquamail is that BCC'd items sent from one machine cannot be moved to the [Sent] folder on another machine. This unfortunately rules out Aquamail for me at the moment. This is a shame because I prefer its more secure operation (i.e. not using its own servers).
Mike, for almost all purposes in the modern days, IMAP is superior to POP3.
POP3 is the older protocol with much more limited functionality.
I am not aware of anything that is not possible to do with IMAP (except for the problems inherent to the limitations of POP3). All what you described is possible with IMAP.
With the desktop e-mail programs (e.g. Thunderbird), - you can have local copies of all the messages in the same way as you can do with POP3.
Actually, according to the POP3 protocol itself, you might not be able to download messages to multiple devices. It is only the implementations that some POP3 servers/providers enabled that allow you doing that. (E.g. Gmail effectively doesn't.)
And with some POP3 servers you can crash your mailbox if several clients are trying access the same mailbox at the same time.
So, in short, - IMHO, POP3 should be retired by most providers.
But, for now, if what you have is sufficient for you, - you can use it while that lasts.
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FWIW, there are even IMAP backup tools / scripts which can fetch messages fully and store them in standard .eml (MIME RFC 822) files.
But oh well, people have different needs / use different workflow, to each his own.
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FWIW, there are even IMAP backup tools / scripts which can fetch messages fully and store them in standard .eml (MIME RFC 822) files.
But oh well, people have different needs / use different workflow, to each his own.
Yes, these are the 'more elaborate' methods that I referred to. They are not really seamless or user friendly.
Looking forward to the next Aquamail beta, if it has 'move to sent' functionality for POP3 ;)
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Looking forward to the next Aquamail beta, if it has 'move to sent' functionality for POP3 ;)
- So, with this beautiful car, how do I drive from New York to Paris?
- Sir, that is impossible, there are no roads between New York and Paris, because, well.. there is an ocean between them.. If you want to get from New York to Paris, you need an aircraft. Besides, with an aircraft you can get to most places much faster than with your car.
- Yes, I understand that, but the aircrafts are more complex and very complicated. OK, I'll wait until you will come up with an option for my car to drive from New York to Paris. I hope it will be implemented soon, right?
Mike, please, reread what has been described in this thread, POP3. It is not a shortcoming of the app, but rather a principal limitation of POP3 protocol: no folders besides Inbox can be synced. Period.
So, if you are relying on POP3 protocol, you cannot do anything with folders on one device (which are inherently local with that protocol) and transmit that information about those folders to a different device (or the server).
PS. Maybe this thread explaining the same situation with Thunderbird (replace Thunderbird with Aquamail or any other mail client and all the arguments stand) would be helpful for understanding.
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Mike, please, reread what has been described in this thread, POP3. It is not a shortcoming of the app, but rather a principal limitation of POP3 protocol: no folders besides Inbox can be synced.
Au contraire, it is you that needs to reread. I was never seeking a synched folder for POP3. Kostya understood what I requested.
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Mike, please, reread what has been described in this thread, POP3. It is not a shortcoming of the app, but rather a principal limitation of POP3 protocol: no folders besides Inbox can be synced.
Au contraire, it is you that needs to reread. I was never seeking a synched folder for POP3. Kostya understood what I requested.
Excusez moi monsieur, if I misunderstood you. Mea culpa!
I had reread your original message before posting my latest response. I reread it again now, and I still don't understand what you need.
I use pop3 with two devices and BCC sent emails to myself. I want to move the BCC'd email generated by the first device to the 'Sent' folder on the second device.
I read that you wanted to do some magic on your 1st device so that the message in the Inbox would end up in "Sent" on your second device. That requires syncing folders.
Verba ita sunt intelligenda ut res magis valeat quam pereat.
However, if Kostya understood what you wanted, or even if you think he understood that and you are happy with it, - that's good. I don't need to know any details.
"Jedem das Seine" [translated].
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Re: However, if Kostya understood what you wanted, or even if you think he understood that and you are happy with it
- I understood
- I wrote that it's more complicated and possibly fragile than it seems
- Mike responded "oh well, I'll just use a different app"
- At this point Mike and I parted amicably, no hurt feelings, no name calling, like real gentlemen
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I read that you wanted to do some magic on your 1st device so that the message in the Inbox would end up in "Sent" on your second device. That requires syncing folders.
I just want the facility to move some emails from [Inbox] to [Sent] locally - just like they can be moved from any folder to [Deleted] or from [Draft] to [Sent]. That way, when I BCC myself from one device, I can put it in the [Sent] folder on the second device when it is received. No synching. POP3 does not synch anything - not even [Inbox] - because it is always one way. That is how I want it - all my stuff on my devices and not held 'out there' somewhere. This is the attraction of Aquamail, which does not copy emails onto its own servers.
Verba ita sunt intelligenda ut res magis valeat quam pereat
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Ah, you've got me there. I was advised not to sit my O'level in Latin: amo, amas, amat etcetera.
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Great. But any misunderstanding has now resolved... 8) 👍
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"All's well ..." (W. Shakespeare)
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