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English - Android => How do I... => Topic started by: foresto on January 08, 2015, 05:03:12 am
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Whenever I go to switch folders or use "move to folder" on a message, AquaMail presents a list of folders in a seemingly arbitrary and very inconvenient order. I have to scroll past rarely-used folders like Spam, Drafts, Sent, etc. in order to find my frequently-used Archive folder. This is pretty irritating.
Is there any way to configure the display order of folders, or to make the most frequently used ones appear first?
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It is absolutely not alphabetical order, and even if it was, it would be just as much of a hassle to have to scroll past rarely-used folders every single time.
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It is absolutely not alphabetical order, and even if it was, it would be just as much of a hassle to have to scroll past rarely-used folders every single time.
Well, the folder list should be in a alphabetical order.
> if this is not the case please attach a screenshot
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Wow... I politely post a couple of simple wish-list requests, and the responses I get are from someone telling me I'm wrong and someone else asking me to prove that I'm not lying. This seems to be a rather hostile forum. How discouraging.
For the sake of informing the developers, though, I'll post a screen shot anyway.
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Mr. Paris Geek is not a developer, he's another user, and I don't *think* he implied that you're lying -- he just wanted to see what exactly you're talking about.
I, on the other hand, is not another user.
There are two ways to access folders - "as needed" which you're doing and by setting particular folders to sync "all the time" (like Inbox etc).
"As needed" folders are shown below the "set to sync" folders, to separate the two.
"Set to sync" folders are sorted by type and then by name.
"As needed" folders are sorted by last access time: most recently accessed closer to the top.
You can change how long a particular folder stays on this "recent list" and how many entries are allowed -- app settings under account list (but it affects the "recent folders" list everywhere else, such as in the dialog you have on your screenshot).
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There are two ways to access folders - "as needed" which you're doing and by setting particular folders to sync "all the time" (like Inbox etc).
"As needed" folders are shown below the "set to sync" folders, to separate the two.
"Set to sync" folders are sorted by type and then by name.
I see. Out of curiosity, how can I change a sync "as needed" folder to sync "all the time"? Based on your description, I thought that checking "Use IMAP Push" would do it, but it doesn't seem to.
"As needed" folders are sorted by last access time: most recently accessed closer to the top.
Okay, that might help me work around the problem. If I can I configure certain folders to sync "as needed", the most recently used ones ought to appear at the top of the list. That's not quite as good as having the most often used ones first, but it's better than what is happening right now. Is there some way to do this? The only sync-related options I see for these folders seem to be for treating them as incoming, spam, deleted, drafts, or sent, which they are not.
You can change how long a particular folder stays on this "recent list" and how many entries are allowed -- app settings under account list (but it affects the "recent folders" list everywhere else, such as in the dialog you have on your screenshot).
That might also help a bit, if I could set this list to be 0 entries, but the app doesn't let me set a recent folder count value below 3. Drat.
Aha! I just found a thread from two years ago with other users having the same problem. (It looks like one of AquaMail's earliest feature requests, actually.) I look forward to seeing the manual sort feature mentioned here:
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=26.0
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The two ways to access folders is covered in the FAQ, right near the top.
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Oh! I just noticed that I misread your "as needed" comment above. I somehow thought you were describing "as needed" as a sync mode, rather than an access mode.
The two ways to access folders is covered in the FAQ, right near the top.
Thanks. I read the FAQ, but sadly, it doesn't address the problem I'm having. I guess I'll have to wait for the manual sort order feature.
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>> somehow thought you were describing "as needed" as a sync mode, rather than an access mode
It's both
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Gotcha.
To summarize for future readers: AquaMail predefines several folders (deleted, drafts, sent, spam) that when properly synced with an account's corresponding IMAP folders, will always be listed before any other folders. It seems there is no way around this problem, but Kostya did once say that manual sorting (http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=26.0) was going on his to-do list, so we might see a fix some day.
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>> AquaMail predefines several folders (deleted, drafts, sent, spam) that when properly synced with an account's corresponding IMAP folders, will always be listed before any other folders
And you can set more server folders to work this way, and they will be sorted together with the initial Inbox / Drafts / Sent / Deleted.
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>> AquaMail predefines several folders (deleted, drafts, sent, spam) that when properly synced with an account's corresponding IMAP folders, will always be listed before any other folders
And you can set more server folders to work this way, and they will be sorted together with the initial Inbox / Drafts / Sent / Deleted.
Oh, thanks for bringing that up again! I re-read that FAQ entry, and I now see that the parenthetical comment in the seventh paragraph explains that the "Sync as incoming" folder option is different from all the other "Sync as" options: It doesn't bind the IMAP folder to any of AquaMail's predefined folders.
That's pretty useful. I wish the menu of folder sync options made this distinction clear. The way the menu is presented today, that option doesn't stand out from the rest at all, and it gave me the impression that choosing "incoming" would bind the folder to my inbox. Now that I see what it actually does, it looks like a pretty good workaround for me until manual sorting becomes available.
Again, thanks!
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The wording was meant to imply that you'd be syncing
"as a folder that contains incoming messages (so you'll get notifications, and it will be kept up to date just like the inbox is"
and also
"as opposed to folders that have special meaning, like Drafts or Sent"
and NOT to mean
"messages from all folders marked with Sync as Incoming will be combined into a single Inbox folder"
I'd be happy to consider a change in wording to better convey this meaning, both in the app's settings and in the FAQ on the web site (as English is not my native language).
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The wording was meant to imply that you'd be syncing
"as a folder that contains incoming messages (so you'll get notifications, and it will be kept up to date just like the inbox is"
and also
"as opposed to folders that have special meaning, like Drafts or Sent"
and NOT to mean
"messages from all folders marked with Sync as Incoming will be combined into a single Inbox folder"
I'd be happy to consider a change in wording to better convey this meaning, both in the app's settings and in the FAQ on the web site (as English is not my native language).
@Kostya:
To make it more clear I recommend to modify the German translation as follows:
"Sync as incoming" -> "Sync als Posteingang" (instead of: "Als eingegangene Nachricht")
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Thank you (merged) but is it possible to somehow imply that it's "As *another* incoming folder" (to delineate from "As *the* Inbox")?
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Thank you (merged) but is it possible to somehow imply that it's "As *another* incoming folder" (to delineate from "As *the* Inbox")?
Rather a sort of " Treat as incoming "?
Therefore, it should be better: "Als Posteingang behandeln"
Thus it is analogue to the option: "Als Spam behandeln" ("Sync [treat] as spam")
Thanks for your verification, Kostya.
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This is for the "move (message) to spam (folder)" command.
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Thank you (merged) but is it possible to somehow imply that it's "As *another* incoming folder" (to delineate from "As *the* Inbox")?
Rather a sort of " Treat as incoming "?
Therefore, it should be better: "Als Posteingang behandeln"
Thus it is analogue to the option: "Als Spam behandeln" ("Sync [treat] as spam")
Thanks for your verification, Kostya.
Kostya:
Can you please add the 3rd word "... behandeln"
> Als Posteingang behandeln
Many Thanks.
Mikeone
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>>> Als Posteingang behandeln
Merged. No new build right now, kind of in the middle of something.
I suspected as such looking at the options for Spam (how it's "Sync *as* Spam" vs. "Sync *with* Sent").
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>>> Als Posteingang behandeln
Merged. No new build right now, kind of in the middle of something.
I suspected as such looking at the options for Spam (how it's "Sync *as* Spam" vs. "Sync *with* Sent").
Thanks Kostya,
I'm assuming the new description should be clear enough for the user.
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The wording was meant to imply that you'd be syncing
"as a folder that contains incoming messages (so you'll get notifications, and it will be kept up to date just like the inbox is"
and also
"as opposed to folders that have special meaning, like Drafts or Sent"
and NOT to mean
"messages from all folders marked with Sync as Incoming will be combined into a single Inbox folder"
I'd be happy to consider a change in wording to better convey this meaning, both in the app's settings and in the FAQ on the web site (as English is not my native language).
Great!
In English, I would label this option "Sync with server". It's not necessary to qualify it any more than that, since all the other options in the list distinguish themselves by describing special kinds of sync.
I suggest avoiding the word "incoming" for this option, since that implies it is only for inbox-like folders, which is misleading. It is just as apporpriate for archive folders, into which a user can move messages after they have been read.
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>> I suggest avoiding the word "incoming" for this option, since that implies it is only for inbox-like folders, which is misleading
Um, "Eengrish is not mah native lenguage", but what you called "misleading" is exactly what's going on here.
"As incoming" means "not as archive, not as spam, not as sent, not as deleted, not as drafts" -- as a "regular" plain good old "incoming-type" folder, something that "doesn't have a special meaning".
I'm still open to further discussion on this, but just wanted to clarify.
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>> I suggest avoiding the word "incoming" for this option, since that implies it is only for inbox-like folders, which is misleading
Um, "Eengrish is not mah native lenguage",
Heh... Nice.
what you called "misleading" is exactly what's going on here. "As incoming" means "not as archive, not as spam, not as sent, not as deleted, not as drafts" -- as a "regular" plain good old "incoming-type" folder, something that "doesn't have a special meaning".
I'm still open to further discussion on this, but just wanted to clarify.
Yes, I understand your point. I am a native English speaker, though, and the current phrasing misled me into thinking it was only good for an inbox and wouldn't do what I needed for my other folder. Once you convinced me to try it anyway, I discovered that it behaves as I needed after all.
There's no need to say "as incoming" to indicate that incoming messages will be picked up, because that is already implied by "sync". There's no need to say "as incoming" to distinguish it from the special folders like spam and drafts, because the other options in the list already make those folders distinct. Saying "sync as incoming" instead of just "sync" confuses the issue by suggesting that it only works in one direction.
If you want the menu option to explicitly state that it should be used for inboxes, I suggest a phrasing that doesn't also seem like a compatibility warning against non-inboxes. I still think "Sync with server" is sufficient, but something like "Sync (inbox/other folder)" might also convey your intent and be less confusing than the current phrasing.
Edit: rephrased for clarity.
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@Kostya:
Well, I agree with Foresto's argument since the German translation "Als Posteingang behandeln" is based on the meaning of "Sync as inbox" exactly what foresto pointed out as misleading.
Therefore I recommend to change the German phrase to
"Sync mit Eingangsserver"
> in the meaning of "Sync with incoming server".
Regards
Mikeone
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Hello,
I understand forestos and mikeones arguments.
"Sync as incoming" is the standard syncing behavior, I expect when I want a Folder to be synced with my smartphone.
All other options are special options.
So, why not put this funktion on first place and name it "sync folder" or in german "Ordner synchronisieren"?
or just "sync" or "synchronisieren"
So it should be clear, that if this function is activated, I get a sync.
The translation "als Posteingang behandeln" is OK, but also can mislead the user, because "Posteingang" is often used for the Inbox root.
mikeones new suggestion "Sync with incoming server" or "Sync mit Eingangsserver" can mislead the user to the Question what is the "incoming server" or the "Eingangsserver".
Ciao,
Joachim
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@Soko
@Kostya,
I agree with "Ordner synchronisieren".
That's perfect.
Thanks to Joachim for his thoughts.
Regards
Mikeone
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Well, in French, the current tranlation is not misleading, due to the use of different words (roots) for "inbox" and "incoming":
- "Boite de réception" for inbox (btw, that's the common accepted term to qualify "inbox") (root = recevoir i.e. receive)
- "entrant" for "incoming" (root = entrer i.e. enter)
I suspected something like that might be going on here. Thanks for pointing it out.
"Sync as incoming" is the standard syncing behavior, I expect when I want a Folder to be synced with my smartphone.
All other options are special options.
That's exactly what I was looking for when I first set up Aqua Mail: The standard, non-special kind of sync. Unfortunately, the English phrase "as incoming" made me think that option was a special kind of sync instead of the standard one, so I avoided it.
So, why not put this funktion on first place and name it "sync folder" or in german "Ordner synchronisieren"?
or just "sync" or "synchronisieren"
So it should be clear, that if this function is activated, I get a sync.
Yes, "Sync folder" would work nicely in English.
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I'm going to try "Sync (plain folder)", just to make it a bit more explicit when it's on the list alongside with "Sync as spam", "Sync with Sent" etc.
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I'm going to try "Sync (plain folder)", just to make it a bit more explicit when it's on the list alongside with "Sync as spam", "Sync with Sent" etc.
Thanks, Kostya. That's definitely an improvement over the current text.
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@Soko
@Kostya,
I agree with "Ordner synchronisieren".
That's perfect.
Thanks to Joachim for his thoughts.
Regards
Mikeone
I'm going to try "Sync (plain folder)", just to make it a bit more explicit when it's on the list alongside with "Sync as spam", "Sync with Sent" etc.
Kostya:
Can you please even modify the German translation as suggested by Soko:
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So, why not put this funktion on first place and name it "sync folder" or in german "Ordner synchronisieren"?
or just "sync" or "synchronisieren"
So it should be clear, that if this function is activated, I get a sync.
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Ciao,
Joachim
English: > German:
Sync (plain folder) > Ordner synchronisieren
(instead of: Als Posteingang behandeln)
Thanks a lot!
Mikeone
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Sync (plain folder) > Ordner synchronisieren
That just means "Synchronize", correct?
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Sync (plain folder) > Ordner synchronisieren
That just means "Synchronize", correct?
Yes, "Ordner synchronisieren" means: Synchronize this folder - "Sync (plain folder)"
> in opposite to the first option "Nicht synchronisieren" ("Do not sync")
... Soko and I are confident that this description should be sufficiently clear for the user.
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Very good!
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Very good!
Kostya :
Thanks for updating.