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Title: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: srt10coupe on August 08, 2013, 12:24:40 pm
What do you think of the Account Summary as sidebar as in eg 1Weather, iLiga or hangouts?
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: dirkliesenfeld on August 09, 2013, 11:42:21 am
+1
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on August 14, 2013, 11:51:53 pm
Don't really see the point, sorry.

The drop-down list of folders already has up to date unread counts.

And then there is the account list view, which has all the info in one place.

The sidebar is pretty popular these days, but it seems to me that it works best in apps that deal with one account at a time, and therefore need a bird's eye view not found anywhere else (Gmail, stock Email, etc.)
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: srt10coupe on August 15, 2013, 04:16:54 am
Idea with sub menu for Account and Folder view.

1. closed Accountview
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/15/ra3ejame.jpg)
2. Accountview with folderview
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/15/7y7ezete.jpg)

iLiga app
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on August 19, 2013, 10:32:49 pm
Thanks for the screenshots.

I already know what sidebars look like, just not seeing a case for it. Same info is already presented in the account list (this is what I wanted for my own use from the start), and in the message list dropdown.

Maybe replace the drop down with a sidebar, but that would make sense in the single panel UI only, and I'd rather not break the phone / tablet consistency (yet, unless there is a really strong case for that).
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: srt10coupe on August 20, 2013, 12:18:25 am
Okay thx ;-)
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: zweird on October 18, 2013, 05:41:06 pm
I could not possibly disagree more.

Yes, the same information is presented in the account list. The problem is that the account list is only accessible by reaching up to the top left corner of the screen, which is a usability nightmare for phones that are 5"+.  There's a reason Google has abandoned that ICS convention in JB.
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on October 22, 2013, 04:43:53 am
My everyday phone is a Galaxy Note2, 5.5" screen,  and my hands are not especially large.

As for Google and their "reasons" - they come up with all kinds of stuff only to drop it later.

The initial Google Plus app used side swiping to switch between streams. This was later replaced with a drop down list in the action bar - which you claimed was "abandoned in JB".

I'd rather spend my time on something more useful than chasing latest ever changing UI fads.

Oh, and another Google trend lately is to remove things from their apps. Google Maps - no more zoom buttons. Nice move for (lack of) single handed usability... They might have done it to reduce UI stutter (but it still happens).

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Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: stesyl on October 31, 2013, 04:06:50 pm
I agree I really like the side bar, rather than reaching up to the top corner. I think it would be a welcomed addition. Almost chose Solmail because of the easy flow , but you are the developer.
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: dirkliesenfeld on November 01, 2013, 01:10:15 pm
Just checked out solmail. Really nice,  especially the sidebar and the swipe to delete. But apart from that not half as functional as our beloved AM.

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Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on November 01, 2013, 04:31:19 pm
Dirk,  please see this discussion:

https://plus.google.com/111661559774274998746/posts/2GsgVC8ChZt

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Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on November 01, 2013, 04:34:46 pm
PS Tapatalk keeps crashing in Google Analytics code. If not for this,  I'd have no Idea they track how I use the app...

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Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: stesyl on November 02, 2013, 05:15:48 am
Well until then I'm going to Google's new email with Sidebar. It's not a fad it's called progress .
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on November 02, 2013, 11:33:32 am
Sure, by all means use whatever works for you.

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Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on November 02, 2013, 11:48:11 am
PS side swiping to delete or archive is fine and I will be implementing that. But navigation drawers are bullshit (and I actually wrote down arguments for my opinion).

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Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: jcasares on November 02, 2013, 11:57:57 am
No need to explain more as you made yourself perfectly clear on why is not that good within that post at G+.
I believe that for me (GS4 with hardware menu button) it's a drawback and not a progress. For example, In Google Play I now need two hands to access My Apps.
I really wonder why Google take some decisions like the dumbing down of Google Play on the web. Functionality and and practicality went down with the changes.
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: stesyl on November 02, 2013, 04:41:41 pm
I will admit that the Google play store side bar sucks, it's not a smooth transition like the others are . N the others it's a one handed operation
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: dirkliesenfeld on November 03, 2013, 04:17:01 pm
Please consider using optional configuration for that,  so that we can chose what a swipe left or right will do. I would prefer a left swipe for replying and a right swipe for deleting.

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Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: srt10coupe on November 04, 2013, 03:58:46 am
Please consider using optional configuration for that,  so that we can chose what a swipe left or right will do. I would prefer a left swipe for replying and a right swipe for deleting.

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:D
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: stesyl on November 16, 2013, 08:40:11 pm
Come back to AquaMail, it's simply the best out there, Thanks. I know i'm beating a dead subject, BUT how about giving us the option with two versions  That way we can decide??
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on November 18, 2013, 02:35:11 am
Having an option for everything is bad because:

- It increases code complexity, in an exponential way, when you consider how various options interact with each other

- Both options / ways / UIs / schemes / whatever still need to be implemented and working all the time

Having said that, it's likely I will be adding this, but my top priority right now is:

E-x-c-h- (stop me when it starts to sound familiar) -a-n-g-e.
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: stesyl on November 19, 2013, 07:04:58 am
Cool, gloom forward to it.
Thanks
Title: Re: Sidebar for Mail-Account Summary
Post by: beaky on November 19, 2013, 04:06:20 pm
Just as an exercise for the wish list - fillers. ( including me, as I still would value threading or something similar, but can wait)
 Look at the settings now. All of them.
Take every one that can be on or off, count those as having two states.
Take every one that can take variable values as having at least three, one each on the limit, one at a nominal value.
Take every major state the ui can be in,
Take every state of the phone that can have an effect. Standby/sleeping/awake, etc...
Consider how many processes go on in the background (sync,push,etc)
Now consider every version of android he supports.
Now consider every one of these in every combination of states you have enumerated.
Got a really big number? You bet!
You haven't really started to visualise the complexity, as weirdness may come from malformed data received from a server, or "user error" unforseen by the developer. How to handle that?etc, etc.....
Such combinational complexity can never be validated by exhaustive testing,in fact, but by good software design that isolates the issues, and so allows the testing to be rationalised.
Mission creep is the enemy of robust design. It is probably the main reason why big IT projects promoted by the uk government always fail, and fail truly spectacularly. When you move the goalposts, the football game suffers quite badly!
I would like kostya to continue to deliver good software, not get to the point of "code rot" or untestability that afflicts a lot of bloatware found on PCs these days.....

Just my two cents worth.